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Seth Pepper (@sethpepper) is a 23x All-American and 2x National Champion swimmer from the University of Arizona who won Gold Medals at the World University Games and the Pan Pacific Championships.And he only started swimming at age 14. Though he fell inches short of fulfilling his dream to be an Olympian, he has used his athletic journey as a model and inspiration for countless athletes on the PGA Tour, NBA, WTA, MLB and at the collegiate level. Now working as a mental performance coach, Seth brings a unique perspective and understanding of high performance environments that have helped his clients excel at the highest levels of sport.

In our conversation today, Jerry and John unpack Seth’s journey, discuss whether obsession is a healthy or unhealthy thing, and explore Seth’s unique ability to see failure and adversity as positive developments that lead to growth. You can connect with Seth at or on social media @sethpepper. 


This week’s podcast is brought to you by our friends at Sprocket Sports.  Sprocket Sports is a new software platform for youth sports clubs.  Yeah, there are a lot of these systems out there, but Sprocket provides the full enchilada. They give you all the cool front-end stuff to make your club look good– like websites and marketing tools – AND all the back-end transactions and services to run your business better so you can focus on what really matters – your players and your teams. 

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